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The “Mystery” of the Four Horsemen March 2, 2010

Posted by Henry in Eschatology & End Times.
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In my previous post on “The Pre-tribulation Rapture Revisited: The Seven Seals” I deliberately neglected to address the four horsemen which begins from the opening of the first seal in Rev 6:1 so as not to overcomplicate the issue. In this rather brief outline therefore I will attempt to present the scriptures so that they speak for themselves in unraveling the mystery of these four horsemen which no doubt strikes many people with fear and dread. This is particularly so because these horsemen are not understood. I believe the key to unlocking the whole mystery however resides in Matthew 24 where Jesus outlined the signs which precedes His coming. I also believe that this discussion also lends itself to the pre-tribulation rapture debate as well and for all intents and purposes we are possibly already witnessing the rise of the four horsemen. But would this not mean that the pre-tribulation believers as well as the rest of “missed the boat” since they claim that the rapture had to occur before the opening of the first seal? Nevertheless these issues will be explored in the following outline.

Firstly, we should recall that the Disciples asked Jesus in Matt 24:3, “when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Jesus then began to outline the signs that preceded His coming in the verses following, which some refers to as the so-called Olivet Discourse. This should be borne in mind then as we examine the mystery of the four horsemen and note also that it is Jesus Himself who opens the seals.

To begin with we look at the characteristics of the four horsemen in turn which proceeded from the opening of the first four seals:

First Horseman

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Second Horseman

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Third Horseman

And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Fourth Horseman

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

I have highlighted the main characteristics of these horsemen but to summarize we see the first going out to conquering and to conquer; the second was given a sword and he takes peace from the earth, causing people to kill one another; the third had a pair of balances in his hand and this signifies judgment (not to be confused with the final judgement); and the last horseman was given power over the fourth part of the earth (the earth is described in scripture as having four corners), to kill with sword, hunger, death and with the beasts of the earth.

Thus these four horsemen precedes the return of Jesus Christ, which occurs at the opening of the 6th seal. So how does these four horsemen relate to the Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24? We read from verse 6:

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars (horseman 1): see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom (horseman 1): and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places (horseman 4). 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake (relates to horseman 3 – judging the saints and horseman 4). 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another (horseman 2). 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Looking at the underlined portions here in Matt 24 and conflating them with the characteristics of the four horsemen of Rev 6, we can ascertain that these events are the same, which precedes Jesus’ coming. This is the mystery of the four horsemen. But aren’t some of these things already happening even in our day or perhaps we are not able to discern the signs of the times? What then, has the pre-tribulation rapture taken place already? Noting that the scripture left us in no doubt that these were the signs that the disciples and consequently the church should look for in order to know that Christ’s return was near.

“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved”! Amen

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1. wabd - March 2, 2010

Hi Henry,

I’m not going into great details here since you asked that I read this post with your last. I am however going to say this, your conclusions are wrong about the four horsemen.

What you have done is try to force fit prophesies of birth pangs with seal judgments. I will debunk this theory and that of your last post as well in due course.

From what I read in your last post so far, your interpretations are also incorrect, but I’ll wait yet a while before I present the biblical explanations. It may be extensive, so I’ll probably post it on my blog.

In His Grace

2. Henry - March 2, 2010

Wabd,
You can disagree if you want. That is fine by me but I stand by what I have presented. Scriptures interpret scripture as it is not for private interpretation. Therefore you have to used one to unlock the other. In all three gospel of Matthew (24), Luke (21), and Mark (13) we see the so-called Olivet Discourse prophecies. But you don’t find it in the Gospel of John. Why? Did The Apostle John not receive the same revelations as the other 3 gospel writers? Oh yes he did, but he recorded them in the Book of Revelations. Hence the reason you do not find the Olivet Discourse in the Gospel of John. If you follow the sequence of events then in both the 3 gospels and in Revelations 6 and 7 from the first seal you will find that the scriptures are in total alignment. In order to draw any other conclusion one will have to “stretch” the scriptures or “re-interpret” them. So therefore it does not surprise me that you will disagree with what I have presented because clearly it upsets your pre-tribulation viewpoint.

You attribute the first 4 seals as God’s judgement yet nothing in scripture points to this. Pray tell then does the Anti-christ who persecute the and kill the saints part of God’s judgement too? Isn’t the rise of the anti-christ after the work of Satan? There is nothing to say in the scripture to say that the 4 seals are God’s judgement (ie part of His final judgement) but what we do see from the opening of the sixth seal that the day of God’s wrath HAD come. That is what it says clearly in Rev 6:17.

What does Rev 8 says? We read: 1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

We could also go to Rev 14 to see the order of events:

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

We see that Jesus reaps the earth first then the other angel gather the clusters to be cast into the great winepress of the wrath of God. This is after the same patter of the 6th and 7th seals in Rev 6.

3. wabd - March 2, 2010

Henry,

“You can disagree if you want. That is fine by me but I stand by what I have presented.” These are pretty determined words for someone of faith to be living by. Would you rather be right or know the truth?

You have every confidence that you used scriptures to define and scriptures in your theories, but your confidence is what it is; yours. Even in your response your conclusions about the relationship amongst the 4 gospels relative to the Olivet Discourse and the Book of Revelations are speculative.

I will take it into consideration with your other postings when I debunk your theories, and I will do so objectively as well as scripturally.

In His Grace

BTW, have you ever wondered what ‘there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour’ means?

4. Henry - March 3, 2010

Wabd,

With all due respect and without meaning to sound arrogant, as far as I am concerned what I have presented is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It is not my aim to attempt to force you or anyone else to believe what I believe. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.

I have never wondered about the “silence in heaven about the space of half an hour”. Scripture doesn’t tell us what it means but what we do know is that it occured when the seventh and final seal was opened. As far as I am aware it is not relevant in understanding whether or not the rapture occurs after or before the tribulation since we do know that the “rapture” occured at the opening of the sixth seal. If you are therefore attempting to use the the moment of silence to support the pre-trib view I dare say you are shooting yourself in the foot.

Certainly I have seen where you (or maybe it was someone else) have used that silence to say that the silence occured because Jesus left heaven at that moment. But what this tells me is that you are possibly a Oneness Pentecostal. Correct me if I am wrong! If there was silence in heaven because Jesus had left then consequently there must have been 33 years of silence in heaven as well when he was on earth. No?

PS: Have you solved the “puzzle” I left you with?

5. wabd - March 3, 2010

Henry,

Of course you have presented the truth because you have used scriptures to evidence it and I too share the view that sometimes we must agree to disagree.

I am simply saying that a lot of us believe we are in possession of the right interpretation of scriptures and resign ourselves to what we know to be true. The overriding factor is God’s word – the ultimate truth.

I have never used the 1/2 hour silence as partial proof of a pretrib rapture. I was Catholic up until the time that God called me to faith, today I am a non-denominational Christian. I therefore cannot answer your question about 33 years of silence. As for your ‘puzzle’ I will include the answer in my complete response to your theories.

As a side note, it is not my intention to use my pretrib belief as a foundation for debunking your interpretations of scriptures. I will use impartial conflating of scriptures to do that.

In His Grace

6. Henry - March 3, 2010

Wabd,

What does this say here?

John 6:
37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and
whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Did Jesus not say here that He will raise up those who are given to Him on the last day? When is the last day? Is the last day before the first seal since according to pre-tribbers the rapture takes place before the first seal? If so can you please provide me with scripture and verse?

7. wabd - March 3, 2010

Henry,

The rapture of the church whether it be pre, mid, after the 6th seal, post trib are not in view here. The verses that you have cited are not relevant to the rapture/resurrection of the church.

Who are the ones given to Christ? The disciples are first, then there are those that believed on Him during His earthly ministry, then you have those that were called to faith from the Pentecost to the present. From Pentecost, the church age began, when the church age ends the body both dead and alive would be resurrected into new eternal bodies. Then there will be those who died in the first half of tribulation and the middle of tribulation and the great tribulation that are in soul form receiving their new eternal bodies Rev 20:4. Then there are the 144,000 sealed Jews who we are told are first fruits, and those that do not flee and salvation comes to them.

Clearly the first resurrection takes place at different intervals and unto eternal life with Jesus. The second resurrection is a one off resurrection of the unrighteous unto judgment before God’s throne.(Rev 20:12) And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. (20:13) And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. (20:14) And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, even the lake of fire.(20:15) And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

How are we raised up on the last day?

We are saved from the White Throne judgment of God, our names were written in the book of life unlike those whose names were not written and are subsequently condemned to life eternal in the lake of fire.

8. Paul Bortolazzo - March 15, 2010

Saints,

“Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed… For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.” (Luke 17:30, Mat. 16:27)

All believers loving Christ’s appearing will receive crowns of righteousness at the judgment seat. So what day will the resurrection and the rewarding of works take place?
The 70th week will begin after the 1st seal is opened when the Antichrist brokers a covenant with Israel. After the 6th seal, the Son will gather His elect to heaven. Which means the rewarding of believers can’t take place before the 70th week begins. It will take courage for ministers to admit this teaching deceived many within the church. For those who do, only God knows how many saints they will help overcome. For years I’ve preached the falling away must come before the day of the Lord begins. Most pastors I shared this with rejected it. Yet, there were some who studied it, prayed over it, and believed it. Come to find out, many of these ministers have no intention of teaching this truth. Such hypocrisy is from the spirit of antichrist. I’m talking about pastors who know the greatest falling away in the history of the church is coming; yet they remain quiet. Anyone refusing to prepare the saints to overcome the Beast will have no excuse at the judgment seat!

“These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches…” (1 Cor. 2:13)

Lets stand for the doctrine of Christ. Paul

9. Paul Bortolazzo - March 15, 2010

Saints,

The next event is the resurrection of those beheaded for their witness to Jesus and to the word of God.

“…Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.” (Rev. 20:4)

These martyrs were killed during the Great Tribulation because they refused to worship the Beast or receive his mark (Mat. 24:21-22, Rev.14:12; 14:9-10). Never in scripture did God ever kill the righteous for following Him. The Great Tribulation is Satan’s wrath against those having the testimony of Jesus (Rev. 12:11). The day of the Lord is God’s wrath against the wicked (Isa. 13:9-11).

“…And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” (Rev. 20:4)

The overcomers killed by the Beast will reign with Christ for a thousand years. Their resurrection will take place on the first day of the millennium. They will receive their glorified bodies after the twelve apostles are given power to judge but before the completion of a new earth (Rev. 20:4b, 21:1-11).

“But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.” (Rev. 20:5)

The unsaved dead suffering in Hades will not live again until the millennium (thousand years) ends. Once Satan is cast into the lake of fire, the unsaved will be resurrected out of Hades and stand before the great white throne (Rev. 20:10-15).

10. Brandy - March 20, 2010

(saw this on the web just now)

Miss Macdonald’s “Vision” Located!

Visit Joe Ortiz’s “End Times Passover” blog (Mar. 9th) to see a rare 19th century “rapture” document found in the famous British Library in England. The document is listed in that library’s catalogue as “Margaret Macdonald’s Vision,” and you will see a facsimile of the handwritten account of her discovery of a pretribulation rapture in the Bible – the first instance of such teaching (1830) and this facsimile is the first time any portion of her history-changing “revelation” has ever been aired.
And Southern California media personality Joe Ortiz is honored to be the very first person to ever air this document associated with the young Scottish lassie who is now a household name.
Some other Google articles related to Margaret Macdonald are “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” X-Raying Margaret,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” and “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty.


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