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Many false Christs shall arise December 5, 2011

Posted by Henry in Eschatology & End Times.
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Today we live in a time of great deception when many false Christ’s, false Jesus’ and false Messiah claimants have appeared and are appearing on the scenes and are deceiving many people. The question that a Christian should ask themselves though is that if a “Messiah” claimant should appear to them today how would they know that he is who he claims to be? Is there a biblical basis for proving whether someone claiming to be the second advent of Jesus Christ is telling the truth? In order to answer this question it is necessary to look at some of the warnings given in scriptures. The problem with some Christians in particular though is that they refuse to accept that they can be deceived yet the warnings in scripture were in fact given to Christians or followers of Jesus. Some Christians however, instead of exercising discernment, take a blasé approach believing that God would not allow them to be deceived. As a result many are being deceived in the church today because of such blasé attitude of not exercising due diligence as scripture admonished.

As Christians we need to be attuned to the times we are living in. Jesus commanded us to watch and pray but many are praying and forgetting to watch. One of the signs we are to watch for is the rise of false Christs. Jesus said in Matt 24: 4-5

“4…..Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”

Jesus was speaking directly to His followers here. These false Christs are already here however and many do not know it. They may not all claim the name “Jesus Christ” but nonetheless they purport to be the “anointed ones” who sit in the loftiest places in the church – they are on the Internet, in our pulpits and on Christian TV networks. They are everywhere and their messengers (“prophets” and “teachers”) are everywhere seeking to draw disciples after them. These “ministers” are leading many to believe in a false Christ by projecting a false image of Jesus Christ. So how then should we respond if one comes to us saying, “I am he who was promised!” or even saying, “he is in yonder place, lets go and meet him!” The answer lies in Jesus’ teaching in Matt 24:

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

One of the problems with many church goers is that they love signs more than the Word and therefore have developed a false perception that signs are a confirmation of one’s anointing. For example, many are of the mistaken view that if one speaks “in tongues” that this is a sign that such a person is filled with the Spirit. In this regard they fail to properly apply scripture to examine if what they witness is actually a move of the Spirit. This is not to discount the fact that the charismatic gifts are still evident and active in the church but not every sign that occurs in church is a move of the Spirit. This is a vital point that many seem to miss. Perhaps this is as a result of a fear of not wanting to question the Spirit. However the scriptures teach that we should test the spirit to see whether or not it is of God. How do we test the spirit? We do this by examining their works against the scriptures. The scriptures say in 1 John 4:

1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

This scripture highlights some very important implications for our world today and for the future. Today many different religious and pseudo-religious groups are awaiting a “saviour” or “messiah” of one sort or another. The implication of the above scripture however is that they have the spirit of anti-christ because though they await a “messiah” in this they have denied that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. So though they may call their awaited “saviour” or teacher, Jesus, Christ, Maitreya, messiah or anointed one, such an individual is no more than anti-christ in so far as their being represented as a denial that Jesus Christ already came in the flesh. In a world which is increasingly leaning towards a one world faith through ecumenism and inter-faith dialogue the imagination does not need to be stretched to see how anti-christ might be accepted by both Christians and non-christians alike.

The key thing to note about the second advent of Jesus Christ is that he will not come in secret unbeknownst to the world but His coming will be such a great event that no one will be in any doubt. Before that time however anyone else who appears on the scene claiming to be Christ will be none other than anti-christ. We have the assurance of Jesus Christ that is coming will be thus:

“..as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”  Matt 24:27

 

Let us therefore with patience wait for the true Messiah of the world and not seek after a false one.

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1. wyer - December 6, 2011

But if you won’t ever really consider the vast evidence pro or con of everything that comes to your attention because of your narrow minded interpretation that I have tried to help you with, then you will be no further along in relationship to God’s Kingdom than you are right now. God’s kingdom expects us to do a great deal more than sit around and hash over the stuff they provided 2000 years ago when they are clearly giving countless signs of the times, exactly as you religionists insisted upon ignoring 2000 years ago, back again (as a new leaf on the tree sprouts from the same branch, not reincarnation which is not a realisitic way of looking at the return as Jesus clearly depicted would occur in the last days). Shortly time will be up and you have made up your mind as have many of those who follow your and other christian antijesus blogs. Just quoting Jesus is nohthing if you don’t acknowledge the full breath of what He actually required of us then and now with a mind’s eye to who most closely demonstrated the same MIND (holy spirit). I guarantee you will die in gignorance still quoting jesus and not understanding what he actually meant but this is your choice so enjoy it while you have what you want from it, but I assure you, your god is not the same Heavenly Father as Jesus was representing.

2. Noor - December 6, 2011

What you say in this article is correct, we must be ever watchful, not be deceived by false prophets who give “proof” in signs and wonders but have no true claim to Prophethood. However, Christ did say He would return. Therefore, the answer is not to knee-jerk reject every person who claims to be a Prophet, but to study each of their claims and see if they have legitimacy. Not signs and wonders, but did they bring a great Message? Have they fulfilled Prophecies in the Bible and other scriptures? Has God made it abundantly clear that they represent Him?

Christ did say that we would never know the hour of the end times, or when He would return, but He gave us things to watch for: Wars and signs of wars, etc. Many other signs of the end times are given in the Old Testament and in many other scriptures and cultures. If you study these, you can see that they are all being fulfilled at this time. Therefore it is a good time to begin searching and asking God for guidance to see whether it is indeed time for another Prophet, Christ’s return, and who He is.

I submit to you a potential candidate: http://www.maitreya.org . Study the prophecies fulfilled, see the message given, and decide, or prove, to yourself that this is not a false Prophet, but the True One.

The message is given, it is between you and God now – may He guide you to Truth.

3. Noor - December 6, 2011

By the way, the Prophecy you quote above, “..as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be,” you say it means that everyone will know of Christ’s coming – but Christ also said he would come as a thief (quietly, hidden), and to be ever watchful, as he would come upon you in an hour that you expect not. So your interpretation seems to contradict other of Christ’s words.

A more encompassing interpretation is that it means the Messiah will come from the East and manifest in the West. This is fulfilled by the Prophet of http://www.maitreya.org , as he was born in the East (Persia), but received his Revelation and started his Mission in the West (US)!

Henry - December 6, 2011

Sawyer, You still don’t seem to get it. I am not interested in your “evidence” if it does not conform to Holy Writ. You are exactly the type of person Jesus warned us about that they would come and try to pursuade us that He is here, or in this upper room or in the desert. Jesus clearly said that this would happen before is actually coming and you are fulfilling this same prophecy of Jesus. Jesus told me in His world if such come to you do not believe them because His coming will be evidence by His glorious entrance from the Heavens above so that all eyes on earth will see Him descending in like fashion that He ascended following His resurrection. This is the Jesus I believe in and NOT the one you propose. How on earth can Major Herff Applewhite be considered the promised return of the Messiah Jesus? A man who was arrested for stealing credit cards and who was admitted to hospital for depression. Moreover how can Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles be the two witnesses of Revelations? The two witnesses are to be killed in the streets of Jerusalem and after their bodies laid in the street for 3 days they would be resurrected and taken to heaven. I told you before and I will tell you again Sawyer, you have been deceived by people who spoke lies in hypocrisy! Believe in the risen saviour and not a woman who died of cancer and a man that committed suicide because he was deceived by the devil that a comet was coming to take his soul. Anymore of this nonsense from you and your posts will not be approved.

Henry - December 6, 2011

Noor,   Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Creator of the Universe, speaks to us by His word, the Bible. Jesus declared, “I am the way the truth and the life, No man cometh unto the Father (God) but by me.” If however you believe in all the other “scriptures” aside from the Bible then I am afraid you are already on the wrong path. Many prophets and teachers have come and gone and many will come along again but there is only one true Christ – Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. As Christians we do not look for any other prophet or teacher but Jesus Christ the Light of the World. When Jesus returns it will be the consummation of all things – those that are His will enter into the new Jerusalem and those that are not will be cast into eternal damnation. Life on earth will not be the same again because we who are in Christ will be made into the likeness of Him thus enabling us to live eternally without ever having to die again.   We do not need therefore to look for anyone on earth who will fulfill Prohethood. Jesus Christ will appear in the Heavens and will be witnessed by all descending from the clouds. This is the Jesus we look for and not someone else – certainly we do not look for “potential candidates”. I think you and others have completely misunderstood the prophesy that Jesus will appear as the lighting flashes from east to west. Jesus was making the illustration that in the same way you see the lighting appear in the sky this is how we shall behold Him as He descends. This message does not need any further interpretation. Jesus clearly warned His church that until that day when He shall appear descending from the Heavens any other Jesus claimants are false Christs and false prophets. There is therefore no need for a so-called “knee-jerk reaction” because we have the clear teachings of Jesus. It is for this reason I reject any claims that Maitreya fulfills the promised coming of Jesus Christ. This is deception which fulfills Jesus’ words that many false Christs shall arise and shall deceive many – they are so convincing in their deception that if it were possible they would have deceived the very elect.   Again you clearly misunderstood the point about Jesus coming as a “thief in the night”. Jesus used this metaphor to demonstrate to the disciples that no one knows the day of His coming therefore they should watch and pray. The reason you should watch is that it is only by watching that you will know that the thief is trying to enter the house. Likewise Jesus was demonstrating that the disciples should watch so that the day of his coming would not overcome them suddenly. It in no way meant that He was going to come in secret – the day of His coming will be accompanied by a great earthquake such that great mountains will be moved out of their place and the heavens will roll away as a scroll. Scripture makes clear that at His appearing ALL EYES shall behold Him.   Maitreya is not the true Christ – a clear understanding of God’s word will make that clear. I would therefore admonish you to repent and to seek after the true Christ who can save you from your sins.   7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. John 10

4. Samuel - January 2, 2012

Hi there, Henry!

Thank you for sharing!

So, no one on Earth can be he, you assure me, right? I need to have that certainty, because I’m a Brazilian and here we have that man, INRI Cristo, who claims to be the reincarnation of Jesus, he is even very similar to the image of the Shroud of Turin, and he lives really in purity, in a place in Brasilia, where he says that is the New Jerusalem, and so on. The only country in the world where he wasn’t banned for simply stating that he is back as promised and that the end is near was Brazil, even his ID is INRI Cristo (he says that INRI is the new name that he talked about before, the name he received when mocked on the cross) and he has a small group of disciples who live with him. I even had some contact with him through his disciples, he said that he recognizes me as one of his flock and so on. He is a vegetarian too, he says that he was that before, that the scriptures were corrupted and he points out the true intention of the Catholic Church and so on. He has the All-Seeing-Eye on his throne, so perhaps he is masonic and/or illuminati tool/puppet? Don’t know… His disciples say that it represent ‘God’s own’, nothing to do with any other order than his own SOUST (Suprema Ordem Universal da Santíssima Trindade, “Supreme Universal Order of the Holy Trinity”). I just don’t want to be unfair with him since we have many affinities and he seems to be really sincere, if he’s not ‘he’, at least he is not lying either. He actually is convinced that he is the Christ and maintains with absolute certainty that he is the Christ. You got to read the texts and watch the videos on his site. Perhaps he an Antichrist as himself once said? He said once in an interview that for those who mocked on him as Jesus before he can be an Antichrist too, but he assures that he is the same Christ who was crucified 2 thousand years ago and is back as promised now. Please, check his new site out, English version and YouTube channel etc included, and share here your view if possible:

http://www.inricristo.net/

(the older one is: http://www.inricristo.org.br)

Sincerely, wishing you a Happy New Year,

Samuel

5. Henry - January 2, 2012

Samuel,

Jesus Christ made it clear in His message to the disciples and the church that no one on earth can be He. That is the message in Matt 24. He says many shall appear in His name deceiving many. He says that they will be so convincing in their deception that if it were possible they would deceive the very elect. So how will we know the true Jesus among such deception? Do we accept someone because they appear “sincere”. Have you not read in scripture that even Satan and his angels are able to transform themselves into ministers of rigtheousness (2 Cor 11:14-15)?

The only time Jesus will come again is when He shall appear descending from the clouds of Heaven in plain sight of the world to see. This is what scripture says. If this was not so then we would be chasing after every Jesus claimant that appears on the world scene today. Remember Jesus said many will come in His name but we should not believe them but look for His coming as the lightening flashes in the sky from east to west. I am therefore not interested in your claimant as I know with confidence and certainty that he cannot be the Christ. I have the assurance of Jesus’ words on that.

6. Samuel - January 2, 2012

Henry,

Thank you a lot for the response!

I understand you. Thanks for clarifying according to your view. I understand, it’s written that it’ll be something like a potency descending directly from the sky, and the whole world will see. He and all his angels etc will descend from the sky and it will be a world event, not any guy on Earth. Thank you for confirming.

Well, I particularly will keep on observing, of course still considering the Scriptures point, because for me it’s not easy to fully accept the Scriptures as even in the end of them it’s written that there’s a punishment for those who dare to corrupt them. So I think that it may be corrupted, don’t know, but I’ll keep on considering both the possibilities.

All the best,
Samuel

7. Samuel - January 2, 2012

PS: Just to exemplify about my point, I still consider the possibility of INRI being him due to many passages of the Scriptures like this one:

And they will say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
For as the lightning that lighteneth from the one part under heaven, shineth to the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
But first he must suffer many things, and be rejected by this generation.
And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all:
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
In that day, he who shall be upon the house-top, and his furniture in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
Remember Lot’s wife.
Whoever shall seek to save his life, shall lose it; and whoever shall lose his life, shall preserve it.
I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed; the one will be taken, and the other will be left.
Two women will be grinding together; the one will be taken, and the other left.
(Luke 17:23-35)

That verse 25 is crucial:

But first he must suffer many things, and be rejected by this generation.
(Luke 17:25)

First, in the verse 24, it’s saying that his day will be that way, that all people will see, and then, in the next verse, 25, it’s stating clearly “But first he must suffer many things, and be rejected by this generation”. So he will be firstly rejected by this very generation in which he’s back.

Thank you.

8. Henry - January 2, 2012

Samuel,

I think you have misunderstood Luke 17:25. Do read it again. To paraphrase what the verse was saying is that before the event of His coming in the clouds in glory, He must first be rejected by THIS generation. The “this” in the verse should tell you that it is referring to the generation of His day 2000 years or so ago leading up to His crucifixion.

Another thing you may look at is His description following His ascension.

Does the man you speak off have the following appearance:

Rev 1
14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

I have already given you enough in my article and subsequent comments to ensure you are not in any doubt as to how the coming of the true Christ will be.

9. Samuel - January 2, 2012

Henry,

Thank you again for your clarifications!

Yes, if the context of Luke 17:25 is that it’s referring to what Christ had to suffer in that generation, then nothing to a new period of rejection again for him indeed. Well, so it’s a true even frightening coming, as the prophetic vision states, right? “I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not”. Yes, the man I know is definitely not someone who makes me afraid with his appearance to the point of frightening me thus making me fall at his feet that way. But he really seems to be the Christ. Please, check out his site once at least if possible, just for you to know that I’m not so silly to the point of falling for anyone’s trap (but please, just ignore if it may contradict your religious conviction):

http://www.inricristo.org.br/

Automatically a main video of him talking about the end of the world starts to play. (I’ll try to link the video here, don’t know if it’s gonna work, so, please, feel free to delete my comment if you want, don’t want to bother you anyway:)

Thank you a lot! You’ve really helped me to be careful and still consider, now with more conviction than before, the coming from sky. May God bless you and all yours forever and ever!

Sincerely,

Samuel

10. Henry - January 3, 2012

Samuel,
I have already told you why I know that the man you speak of is NOT the Christ. If you want to continue to believe that he is then be that upon your own head. Already under this post three different Christ claimants have been proposed and each proponent are convinced that their guy is the Christ so how do we know which one if any is true? Do you believe someone is the Christ because “he seems like the Christ”. You need to stand on the word of scripture and that is the only way to prevent being deceived. To come and tell me that someone “seems like the Christ” does not wash with me. The true Christ must fulfill the totality of Scriptures. Christ warned that many will come in his name and already we have three contenders under this post – there are many more out in the world if you google. Do we entertain them all to see if they seem sincere? That is a sure way to fall into deception.

Christ will not make a quiet entry into the world and start to amass a following – no. His second coming will be visible to all as He descends from the Heavens. Anyone else is a deceiver.

7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Rev 1

Stef - January 4, 2012

Henry,

Did you every wonder why “all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him”? Does it say that only non-christians wouldn’t wail. What did wail mean?

And how were those who pierced him going to see him? How many “pierced him”. But even if that is referring to all who hated him, how were they going to see him. Are they in spirit form. If so, do they have eyes in spirit form?

If you are the great teacher you lead those who read your blog to be, then surely you can answer these basic questions?

And if you can’t t hen aren’t you taking a huge chance to talk as if you are an authority on anything in the Bible, to the extent that you do when you repremant others who believe otherwise, like samuel and noor for example.

11. Stef - January 4, 2012

Henry,

While I’m at it, what about what samuel said about “his coming as a thief” that can catch you unaware. Does a thief come for all to see? Is there more than meets the eye to these prophecies Jesus gave us? Could SEE be literal but also connotate “understanding” what we see with our eyes so that we could see this returned Jesus but not understand that it’s Jesus because we have not prepared to see by examining everything that comes our way, the sign of a true seeker of the real truth, one who doesn’t discount anything totally. Is your faith in God so shaky that you fear being misled, so you close up your eyes and ears, so even if God wanted to talk to you, you’d require him to show his credentials and they would have to match your tiny perspective of what was given to us beforehand that you refuse to see except for a narrow way that is not the way Jesus taught us to be narrow. His Narrowness was in our behavior – what we thrive upon. I wish some of you christian preachers would tell us what you do that is truely Jesus like instead of thinking by quoting scripture it raises your stature somehow. This is the true sign of a false prophet – someone who “appears” as holy and humble because they talk about Jesus and God and do a few kind acts now and then – send a check to this or that charity every day, or week or month or yearr but in terms of doing what Jesus told us to do that he actually said to do, your heart is far, far away from demonstrating. Why not write an article about all that Jesus asked of us and what HE said we needed to do to be WORTHY of his kingdom.

12. Stef - January 4, 2012

When I say, “not to discount anything totally” I’m not saying to thereby embrace everything. No Test it against Everything Jesus said and DID and told his disciples that they too must embrace along with what they were required to try to live up to. So many christians got some benefit from believing in Jesus and that is great, but the new Jesus will require more than the old Jesus, just like Jesus required more than Moses expected of us. We are not equivilent to the disciples with Jesus nor to the disciples with Moses so why would we not expect to have to pass where they were at this time at his second coming. Some to many of Jesus disciples were willing to give their lives for Jesus. Jesus was NOT popular by any means so that was a big test of their love and committment to him. Are you willing to give your life to Jesus, your blood, have your blood shed for Jesus in whatever new name he takes this next time. And why would anyone want to shed a Christians blood today anyway. Sure if christians attack and infiltrate and sabatoge and manipulate and stimulate deceit and destruction in other nations and they say they are working on behalf of Jesus, then when they are met with persecution, they can think they are receivign that persecution because of their belief in Jesus but isn’t that a stretch if they are doing nothing to promote the things Jesus said to promote. “love thy neighbor as thyself”, the last commandment he gave to his disciples that he said was a new commandment upon his departure as before that it was “love the lord with all thy heart, soul, mind, strength”, which can only be demonstrated literally when he is with us physically but in his absense we can treat one another as we would want to be treated, which is a far cry from the way most christiians I’ve seen act in the churches and abroad as well as the huge hypocrits in government that act as if they are gods to the rest of the world and own and deserve all the earth can offer. Henry, you need to repent. That means Change and Change big time before the real Jesus will pay any attention to you. Cease telling others about Jesus until you can get right with him yourself because if you don’t you will surely not recognize him even when he is apparant for every eye to see because you will have your head in the book instead of looking at him eye to eye, whether his coming ends up being eye to eye or somelthing you read about or see on tv or the internet. He will have fire in his eyes indeed. That fire is designed to “purge” us of our addiction to missing the mark of what he established for us to embrace and practice. That purging will not be without challenge. Overcoming is not a song to sing. It’s conquering all our less than godly behaviors and ways and pursuits with the desire to be nothing more than a childlike follower of him, trusting him with even your physical life as otherwise if you try to save your life in this world, you will lose it in the next world. That was true 2000 yrs ago and will always be true when he comes back.

Stef - January 4, 2012

Hi Samuel,

I will talk to you privately if you would be interested. Email me at: tspm@vermontel.net. I want to understand more about this person you beleive is the Christ. I have some ideas of how to test this person. I am not convinced he is a false prophet. Like Jesus said, if he is saying the same kinds of things Jesus said then he’s on Jesus side, but that’s a tall order, so I want to see how he measures up. If you are someone who believes in the record of what jesus said and did then you will want to see if there is something you can gleen from hearing me out.

13. Henry - January 4, 2012

Stef,
Thanks for dropping by and for your comments. First, let me say that I do not hold myself out as an authority on anything nor do I consider myself to be a “great teacher”. I started this blog as a response to the many false doctrines I have come across in church – in many respects the church have moved away from the teachings of Christ and teaching an apostate doctrine. I am therefore simply looking at some of these doctrines and put forward what scriptures actually say. It is a form of self-study which I share with others.

To your first questions: By asking me questions on what “wail” means and why the tribes of the earth wail because of him is to side-track the point I was illustrating. That point is that Christ will descend from the Heavens with clouds so that all eyes on earth will witness the event. Unless we see the Heavens open and Christ descending, no one else qualifies to be the Christ.
Here is what Christ also said in Matt 26:64

Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Let me reiterate the point then that you will not see Jesus Christ in any other fashion except what He says here – His word is the authority (not me) so if you and others want to ignore what scripture teaches then you shall surely fall into deception.

To answer your question though “wail” means to mourn. When you mourn you are in anguish. We need to remember that scripture teaches that when Christ returns the dead in Him shall be raised first and be caught up to meet Him in the air and likewise those that are His who are living at that time will be caught up with them also in the clouds (1 Thess 1:16-18). So evidently those who are caught up aren’t the ones who will mourn or wail but only those who are left on the earth. Everyone will be resurrected from the dead to be judged so those that pierced Him will be alive to see Him (Heb 9:27, 2 Cor 5:10). Perhaps the reason they wail is because they realise that Jesus is who He had claimed to be and that the gospel was in fact true and since they are outside of Christ because they rejected Him and did not believe the gospel they realise they will now have to face the wrath of God. Matt 24:14 states that the gospel must be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations and then shall the end come – so no one will have an excuse. (see also Zeh 12:10)

On to your second comment: It seems to me that the phrase, “his coming as a thief” is a phrase that is often misunderstood particularly by those who teach a secret rapture and evidently those who reject the Word and follow after false christs. Jesus was simply saying that His coming will be suddenly when the world did not expect Him. Read Matt 24 in your own time but let me bring verse 30 to your attention:

30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Here is what 2 Peter 3:10 also says:

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Does this sound like a quiet entrance or was the emphasis about the suddenness of Christ’s coming? People however deceive themselves into believing that Christ’s coming as a thief in the night means He will come silently out of nowhere unbeknownst to the world and only the few adepts who are perceptive enough will see Him (in their minds eye). This is deception because the word of God clearly says otherwise!

As for your last comment, you make a lot of assertions there which demonstrates your lack of understanding of scriptures. Do you know who the real Jesus is? If you did you wouldn’t attempt to entertain others who claim to be Him. Heed the warnings of scripture and do not be deceived.

2 Thess 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Stef - January 4, 2012

So if I understand you correctly, there is no scriptural evidence that there will be a physical being who for all intents and purposes from our perspective will appear to us as one of us, human, as He came to the world last time, but this time instead will have only a supernatural context – those that are alive will thereby see with their eyes an image or physical being literally suspended in the air, on a cloud or peering from inside a cloud and in such a way that he is large enough and presumably elevated enough that everyone on the globe will see him simultaneously or within a short period of time perhaps and that those that are his believers will at that time have their physical bodies lifted up – levitated to his place x thousands of feet in the sky while the rest mourn and wail having recognized that they were wrong in their disbelief.

Okay, so let’s say I go along with that general interpretation that there is no “secret” rapture. After all, I do believe that Jesus’ physical body was evidently alive after being murdered and then some 40 days later with witnesses lifted up and vanished into a cloud and that this was the way he comes and goes – a physical experience, however that is accomplished technically by the KIngdom of God.

So how to you reconcile Jesus example of the virgins with lamps and oil having to be prepared. Do all the believers need to be virgins? ARe there any requirements to be his disciple? Do we need to prove to him we love him by doing what he gave us to do, think the way he gave us to think – by “keeping his sayings” and to what degree. Do we have to do so to the degree he expected of his disciples. If not, why not. Why did his disciples leave their families and monies if they had any to literally follow along with him, but we who are living when he comes don’t have to “forsake all”?

And what is meant by his blowing the trumphet. Will he actually have a literal trumphet that we will hear the sound of that will alert us to his arrival, so we will look up to see him hovering above us?

Stef - January 4, 2012

Also, henry, explain to me what is meant by “pray your flight be not in winter”. Is the “flight” the flying up to the clouds? If so, what difference would it make whether it’s winter or not? Will it be harder if we are flying up to him during a snowstorm or in very icy cold weather? Now, to me this would make more sense if we actually had to leave our environment to go someplace to meet him. Then winter certainly would be a factor and having a baby to give suck to would certainly be a hardship and if it was a sudden kind of departure to where if we didn’t leave where we were, it would make sense not to try to take our belongings with us. Like I imagine those who escaped the japan tsunami, if they paused very long didn’t make it to high enough ground to not be overtaken. This doesn’t make it sound like just looking up and seeing him and then floating up to him as Paul makes it sound.

And why did he tell his disciples they would recognize his “voice”. Will he speak while in the clouds and if so will only his true disciples (sheep) hear him or understand him – recognize his voice as their shepherd? Won’t they know what he looks like when they “see” him? Does he have to match in appearance the revleations depiction of white hair and firey eyes and somehow having 7 stars in his hand, etc.

And when Jesus said that “in that day, clearly talking about the distant future as opposed to immedieatly after his rising from his body’s death, he would “speak plainly of the father, no longer in parables/story form”. Could this be an example of how he will speak to us from the clouds and/or from among us on the ground, another way of looking at the prohecy that his angels (workers) will gather the believers from all over the earth, which could relate to a need to “flee”. I know it says don’t believe anyone who says you can find him in the dessert, etc. but if this is somehow a worldwide broadcast that only his true believers will recognize as the sheep, then they may not be told to meet him on earth somewhere as he might be broadcasting from the clouds.

14. Henry - January 5, 2012

Stef and Samuel,
I will not allow this blog to be used to promote false Christs so if you want to have a discussion away from this blog then do so but not here.
@Stef,
I will try to answer your questions as best I can but I will not keep going over this issue and restate things I already said. It is not my place to speculate on how the coming of the Son of man will be. Jesus Himself said that as the lightening flashes from East to West so shall His coming be. Do note also that Peter says that the heavens shall disappear and the firmament shall burn with fervent heat. See also Rev 6:12-17 where John sees the vision of the heavens being rolled away like a scroll so wherever you are on earth at that time the whole of the heavens which surrounds the earth will be rolled away. I know these things are frightening for people to bear so they prefer to look for a Jesus that appears in a more docile fashion.
You must understand one thing, in Christ’s second coming He will not be reborn of a woman a second time. The christ Samuel proposes is a man born of a woman. Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead and entered into glory. Whilst He has a bodily form like us humans He is not in the same flesh and blood body as we are. In Acts 1:11 we learn:
“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
The scriptures are very clear that Jesus will return in like fashion as He ascended, why therefore do you seek for another against Jesus warning not to receive anyone who claims to be Him? Christ coming is not “accomplished technically by the Kingdom of God” – That statement makes no sense in light of scriptures.
It seems you misunderstood the parable of the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins. No, believers do not all need to be virgins to be saved. Jesus was illustrating the nature of the Kingdom of God by using the ten virgins and the wedding to illustrate His message. The message was that those virgins who filled their lamps were invited into the marriage because they had made themselves ready – but the ones who did not make ready missed the marriage because of unpreparedness. The church is described in scripture as the bride of Christ (rev 21:2) – a bride without blemish and when Christ returns it is likened unto a marriage supper where the bride and groom are reconciled. If you are therefore not part of the bride (the church) then you will not be invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb (Rev 19:9).
Concerning discipleship Matt 28 says:
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
To be Christ’s disciple therefore we must observe all things that He commanded, those things written in the New Testament and passed down to us by the apostles.
I think you are missing the point concerning the disciples forsaking families etc to follow Jesus. Would you also say Jesus wants you to divorce your unbelieving husband or wife to follow Him? Absolutely not! The apostles did not teach that. Not everyone who is a disciple of Christ will walk in the same ministry. The 12 disciples were called into a specific ministry and in the church today some are called to be apostles, some prophets, some teachers, etc. We are all called however to live righteously and walk in holiness before God.
Concerning the blowing of the trumpet (1 Cor 15:52) I see no reason to believe that this is other than literal. I will address your second comment next time.

15. Henry - January 5, 2012

Stef,
Here is my response to your second comment which I did not answer in my last response. I think you misunderstood what Jesus was saying concerning praying that your flight be not in winter. He was referring to the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem which occurred in 70 A.D at the hands of Titus Vespasian. Read Luke 21:20-24 and you will see that Jesus spoke of the desolation of Jerusalem which we know by history has already occurred. It has nothing to do with fleeing to be with Him.
I think you again misunderstood the point about Jesus’ sheep recognising His voice. This has nothing to do with the gathering of the saints at His coming. Jesus was speaking a parable in John 10 to demonstrate that He was the True Shepherd and those that are His will follow after Him and not false prophets or false christs. When Jesus comes He will gather the elect unto Himself and the elect wont need to do anything of themselves. They won’t need to guess or wonder if He is the true Christ because everyone will know because of the terrifying events of that time. John saw a vision or revelation of Jesus Christ in glory so His appearance may very well be as scripture describes Him but that is not the issue. He descends from the clouds and not born of a woman a second time. Get that clear.
I never said that Jesus will speak from the clouds, that is what you have said and neither will He be broadcasting a message from the sky. In Rev 6 Jesus is depicted as being in amongst the believers who were gathered to Him and He is seen feeding them. Believers will not go to meet Jesus somewhere but rather Jesus will miraculously gather the believers, dead and living, to Himself and take them into His New Jerusalem which descends from Heaven.

16. Samuel - January 18, 2012

Dear Henry,

Yes, the evidences in the Scriptures themselves about his coming in the clouds are really abundant, mainly that Acts 1:11 and the like. But, how do you understand then Luke 17:20, for example?

“And when he was asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation.”

“The kingdom of God cometh not with observation” means? This kinds of apparent contradictions that confuse me, understand?

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and understanding, you may think that I was trying to ‘promote’ possible false Christ(s) but I’m not, at all, I’m really inquiring and your explanations have really helped me. I really thank you a lot for it all.

May God bless you and yours!

Sincerely,

Samuel

17. Henry - January 18, 2012

Samuel,

Jesus spoke to the Jews at a time when they were under subjugation at the hands of the Romans. They understood by Old Testament prophesies that the Messiah would come and establish a new kingdom and as such they were expecting a vengeful king who would establish a physical kingdom and overthrow the Romans. Alas Jesus told the Pharisees that the kingdom does not come by observation to counter their beliefs in a physical kingdom. Jesus said however that the kingdom is in the midst of them. Of course they could not understand. In Matt 13 Jesus compares the Kingdom of God as such:

31The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

In this parable Jesus spoke of Himself as being the seed. This is explained in John 12:24 when Jesus spoke of His death. Jesus spoke of a spiritual kingdom which was already in the midst of the Jews – He in essence is the Kingdom – a Kingdom established in the new covenant in His blood so that when we believe in Him we receive that “seed” deposited into us which makes us part of this Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is therefore the Church which is Christ’s body (1 Cor 12:27) built up in Him and upon Him.

The passage you quoted therefore should not be confused with Christ coming in the clouds. Whilst the Kingdom is being formed (spiritually) here on earth in the vehicle of the Church the physical Kingdom will be embodied in the New Jerusalem which comes down out of Heaven (Rev 21:2) and where all who are in Christ will be invited to come in and reign with Christ when He comes.

18. Samuel - January 19, 2012

Henry,

Thank you again for your patience and for clarifying.

So, to live in the way according to Jesus, that way that Jesus is, all that he taught, is the Kingdom, right? OK, this I think that I understand. But, is his second coming from the sky together with the angels in the city that will come down something literal then? Even the city descending? Or does it mean that he and the angels will descend from the sky and the Church will meet in the city of Jerusalem? Or is it a New Jerusalem because it’s not the old one?

Endless thanks.

19. Henry - January 19, 2012

Samuel,

The Kingdom of Heaven is really about salvation. Salvation is about being saved from your sins through repentance. Scripture says it is appointed unto man once to die and after death the judgment (Heb 9:27). In order to attain to the Kingdom of God therefore you must first repent of your sins. John the Baptist first preached in the wilderness of Judea “repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Matt 3:1). You cannot repent however until you come to the realization that you are a sinner separated from God, “for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23). But while we were yet sinners Christ died for us (Rom 5:8) and this is because God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16). God will judge the whole earth at an appointed time in the future when Christ returns. Those that are in Christ (the Church) will be gathered to Him to inherit eternal life and those that are outside will be cast into eternal damnation at the final judgment. When we therefore believe in Christ and seek Him as our personal savior then we receive the “seed” of the Kingdom deposited into us – we must repent and be baptized both of water and of the Spirit – as it were we must experience regeneration. Jesus said in John 3:5 no one can enter the Kingdom unless he is born of water and of the spirit. Once this process has happened then you can see to obey Christ’s commands.

With reference to the New Jerusalem scripture tells us there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth (2 Pet 3:13 and Rev 21:3). Jesus comes in the clouds of Heaven first to gather the saints to meet Him in the air (1 Thess 4:16-18) and it is after this that the New Jerusalem will descend from Heaven (Rev 3:12, 21:2, 10) into the new earth. The New Jerusalem is prepared by God and not the corruptible Jerusalem that exist on earth today. Jesus told the disciples:

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (John 14)

20. Samuel - January 24, 2012

Dear Henry,

Yes, I understand. That’s very coherent with the whole of the Scriptures indeed. I’ll save all your clarifications and keep them with me to meditate on them as they can really be the right answer indeed.

Well, thank you very, very, very much, my brother! Sorry for any possible inconvenience and may God endlessly bless you and yours!

Sincerely,

Samuel

21. bess hardwick - July 12, 2012

‘I am back but the world does not know me’,so inri say’s,he is the first ape without a tail so he says he is a believer in Darwinisum,Darwin was an athiestHe is a fraud who has stolen G-ds words manipulating them into his cult like new age agenda.The antichrist comes as an angel of light,let us not forget.A fraud and imposter.who’s agenda is to counterfit the true messiah.

22. annonomous - July 12, 2012

To irni.Another one came before you in your body but not soul due to this i have come to the conclusion the messiah has been on earth in his physical body and knowing the sufferings of man since the crucifiction.You are the same in the flesh but opposite in soul and belief.Thus you stand in the temple of G-od for the time given you.

23. Henry - July 13, 2012

I think anyone who says the Messiah is already here is either confused or is just downright a false prophet. When Messiah comes the scripture declares He cometh with clouds and all eyes shall behold Him. After Christ already told us how His coming will be why should anyone be deceived into thinking He will come a different way than what He already declared in Matthew 24?

24. only me - July 13, 2012

I was speaking about this man so called ‘inri’ i believe he may be the falce prophet if not the one spoken of in Revelations he is certainly some type of falce ‘New Age’ falce messiah.I also believe what you say concerning the coming of Yeshua.However i believe also that the meaning of yeshuas words,’this generation shall not pass away’could have meant the generation to whome jesus spoke.Meaning all people who were living then may be alive unto the last generation.I aiso believe this meaning the generation from the fig tree beggining from 1948 and the birth of Israel.Both can be true and may include jesus and the prophets.Why i believe this is a long story and i dont want to explain further.However concerning the man of sin,he is described as standing in the temple of G-d,this i believe is refering to the body of the messiahThis is the counterfit plan of satan.The setting up of the image spoken of in revelations is i believe the turin shroud which is stolen by the counterfiter so the man of sin may steal the image of the lord.

25. other me - July 13, 2012

Are all of you guy’s not somehow connected to or working for this Brazilian new age agenda.All roads lead to Brazilia even on the supposedly free internet.

26. other me - July 13, 2012

Whether you are or not the reason i say it is try a gogle search for this man you will find an abundance of material that may give him a celebrity type appeal but nothing more.Barley a word questioning the total irrationality of his claim.From a biblical perspective the notion of the second coming happening in Brazil which he refures to as the new jerusalem while appearing on celebrity tv shows is quite sickening.A simple question to expose his claim,look at the news pending economic collapse and look at Israel and the total instability of the arab nations.So my question ;is what we are seeing not the beggining of what jesus spoke of concerning Israel,’they shall entrench you on every side’.Does Israel not sign a seven year treaty with death i assume after a time of dreadfull war against G-ds people.Does not the Antichrist then appear and is he not part of the covenant Israel is forced into.So the antichrist and falce prophet appearand there is afalce peace which is broken after three and a half years.and so as the bible tells us and none would be saved but those days were cut short and yeshua the messiah appearsAfter and only after all these events can jesus appear to destroy the antichrist and falce prophet and true peace shall come,the lion shall lie down with the lamb’etc.So from this simple biblical view first there will be war falce peace and the man of sin.How can any one claim to be messiah before the events spoken of in the bible an or the antichrist may appear but the messiah has to come after the falce peace treaty and the beast.

27. John patrick - July 14, 2012

First to your statement ,’all roads lead to Brazil’ you are right you can not find ,at least any christian website, that would expose his teachings as being totally against the biblical understanding as if there is some political or religeous control of what we read.As to your other blog i can only agree he totally contradicts any biblical understanding of the messiah.We should not be surprised then that he spoke of the bible as a book of ‘dead letters’.There is no point in my commenting further though,i think it would be a good idea if’inri’ himself answered your blogs.So i am sure he or his many followers read all that is writen,he should really be the one to explain …………

28. other me - July 15, 2012

Yes he won’t though.Reading just a few sentences i realised what this so called spirit of dissurnement website is about the spirit of deception might be a better name.I somehow get the impression that the same person is writing all of the blogs to create the phoney impression of a democratic debate into who might be the true messiah.So even the person who appears as the skeptic puts forward the question of finding a biblical basis to see which of the would be contenders might be telling the truth.After reading through the staged fake debate it seems like’ inri’ appears as the most probable would be messiah.Should not the debate be can any of the contenders be the falce prophet.Concider the wooden plaque above the head of yeshua writen in Greek Latin and Hebrew.InHebrew the initials actually spell yhwh which is the name of g-d.In the old bible reference book the beasts number 666 has two possible interpritations one is Latenous and the other nero kaiser.iNRI means nothing but is taken from Latin initials the Greek language is of course from the revived Roman Empire which is where the antichrist will come from a forshadow of Antiacas Epiphanes.So the Greek and the Lattin could represent the falce prophet and the antichrist.Latin is certainly used in the pagan christian church.the hebrew will of course represent the true messiah.All roads lead to Rome and Brazil it seems, and many websites are leading people to the abomination rather than truth.

29. elena rigby - July 17, 2012

To clarify.The messiah can not appear to mankind until the prophecy’s concerning the end times and the man of sin have come to passJesus refered to his body as the temple of g-d,’destroy this temple and i will raise it in three day’s.When the bible states the abomination stands in the temple of g-d this can be the body of yeshua,this is my understanding but the messiah will only be seen by mankind after the fullfillment of the prophecies.The counterfit falce prophet is another question keep a lookout for a new age messiah who attempts to counterfit the image of yeshua uses Latin initials as his name and EATS VEGEBURGERS…………

30. Marlene West - January 3, 2013

Inri Cristo said the Kingdom of God is within. You are either living in his Kingdom now or you are living in hell. When Jesus was on the cross, he said “Father into thy hands I commend my spirit” …. he didn’t say his physical body. On the road to Emmaus they did not recognize him until the evening when he sat down to break bread with them even though his wounds would have been obvious had he been in the flesh. But he incorporated another persons body just to commune with them for that time (a physical body cannot incorporate another body) and when he blessed the bread they recognized him as Jesus. Hey Samuel, don’t be so easily swayed by these hoaxologists.

31. Henry - January 4, 2013

Marlene West,
Inri Cristo is a false christ – this is not my opinion but the scriptures declare him as false. For your information Jesus did not appear in someone else’s body – this is you reading into the text. Jesus was resurrected from the dead and resurrection means that the dead person will again be raised in his original body and this is what happened with Jesus. It is for this reason that when they opened the tomb His body was not there because He was resurrected. To say that Jesus occupied another body to appear before His followers is completely false – complete nonsense which cannot be supported by the Word of God. Luke 24 which gives the account of the incident on the road to Emmaus says this in verse 16:

16 But God kept them from recognizing him. NLT

Jesus therefore did not appear in another’s body as you claimed but that God had kept the two from recognising Jesus at that point in time. If God had not hold them back from recognising him they would have recognised him instantly as he was in his original body. May God open up your eyes to see the true Jesus and take you out of the deception you have fallen into.

32. Marlene West - January 5, 2013

Non so blind as those who do not see!

33. Henry - January 5, 2013

Marlene West,
Just what makes you think that Inri Christo is the promised coming of Jesus Christ anyway?

34. Marlene West - January 5, 2013

I do not think, I know.

35. Henry - January 5, 2013

How do you know that he is Jesus Christ? What proof do you have?

36. Marlene West - January 5, 2013

You should go and meet him and then you would not have to ask the question. If you cannot meet with him then at least contact him, ask your questions, analyze his history. I travelled all the way from Australia to Brazil to satisfy myself. I am not interested in debating religion at all. People who want to enter into great debates with each other are usually trying to convince themselves that what they believe is the truth. Perhaps he can help you with your health problems.

37. Henry - January 5, 2013

Well Marlene, I am not merely interested in great debates. For me it is not an issue of debate. The Bible is what we have first and foremost that tells us of Jesus Christ. It is therefore either we are going to believe the Bible as the truth or not. I do not therefore need to convince myself that what I believe from the Bible is truth. The Bible therefore presents the litmus test as to whether what someone else claims is the truth or not. I do not therefore advocate anything of myself but rather present what the scriptures declare. Therefore in His word Jesus presented to us how He will come the second time and if anyone else claiming to be the Christ does not fulfill the criteria laid out in scripture then scripture tells us he is false and to be rejected. That is the only truth I know. I therefore do not need to validate someone’s claims based on meeting them. The only criteria to be used to judge such claims is the very Word of God itself.

38. Marlene West - January 6, 2013

Good luck!

39. Henry - January 12, 2013

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

40. Marlene West - January 13, 2013

That is why he said he would come with a new name because those who come in his former name of Jesus are now murders, rapists and men of disrepute. The name Jesus is very common now and this is why he had to come with a new name as predicted in Rev. 19.
This is my last comment on this matter.


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